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Strumelia
@strumelia
09/01/11 11:56:11AM
2,425 posts

Muscle Memory?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

I love it when I struggle for an hour or so with playing some tricky thing, and I just can't for the life of me seem to make it click or get my fingers to do something....and then I go to bed and the next day as if by magic i can play it right off the bat. I like to think I got sprinkled with fairy dust while I was sleeping.

(but then there are also times when I go to bed and then still can't play it the next day... D'OH !!!)

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
09/01/11 10:47:51AM
2,157 posts

Muscle Memory?


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I think the concept is actually called Proprioception
folkfan
@folkfan
08/31/11 11:43:39PM
357 posts

Muscle Memory?


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Randy, a pretty good definition of muscle memory as I understand it, is given in WikiPedia which says.....

Muscle memory has been used synonymously with motor learning , which is a form of procedural memory that involves consolidating a specific motor task into memory through repetition. When a movement is repeated over time, a long-term muscle memory is created for that task, eventually allowing it to be performed without conscious effort. This process decreases the need for attention and creates maximum efficiency within the motor and memory systems. Examples of muscle memory are found in many everyday activities that become automatic and improve with practice, such as riding a bicycle, typing on a keyboard, playing a melody or phrase on a musical instrument, playing video games, [ 1 ] or performing different algorithms for a puzzle cube .

Randy Adams
@randy-adams
08/31/11 10:26:37PM
126 posts

Muscle Memory?


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Muscle memory is a popular term amongst string instrument players, especially beginners. But it's a misnomer.

If you are waiting for your muscles to remember where to put themselves on the fingerboard you may be waiting for a while! : ) It's brain memory right? Your brain tells your fingers, and the muscles in your fingers, where to go when to go how long to stay there and when to move to a new place.

I don't want my muscles to act independently. I want my brain to send signals to my fingers at the speed of light. "Reverse course we have a new and different idea!"

Get those synapses and neurotransmitters and

proprioceptors

firing in the right order and play music!

http://www.lovinglife.org/brain.htm


updated by @randy-adams: 06/11/15 07:28:03AM
Linda2
@linda2
06/07/13 09:30:02AM
24 posts



Thanks for the info! It turns out the one I'm looking at is from 1981. Would it probably be better to wait & bid on a newer one?

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
06/06/13 05:08:59PM
1,360 posts



McSpadden dulcimers are made by a group of people. No one person makes the instrument from start to finish. The person who happens to attach the top to the back and sides is the one who signs the label. In all likelihood, every one in the shop had a hand in building each instrument that is made. Just and FYI.

Linda2
@linda2
06/06/13 04:17:39PM
24 posts



Would you share your serial number? I'm contemplating buying a McSpadden signed by Larry but am not sure how old it is. Thanks.


Van France said:

I bought a 1992 M12W made by Larry McSpadden and it is a very fine instrument. If you don't like yours, let me know and I'll buy it! Good luck and enjoy! BTW, if you need anything for it, send or take it to Jim Woods at the Dulcimer Shoppe and he will go over it for you and put it in tip top shape. He worked over my M12 while I waited (and played with some great players!) and that instrument looks and plays like new. Congratulations on your purchase.

john p
@john-p
05/20/12 01:02:36PM
173 posts



You gotta have somewhere to shake the bugs out

john p

Peter W.
@peter-w
05/20/12 09:26:20AM
48 posts



Thanks Robin and Sam for your replies!

Sam
@sam
05/20/12 09:19:31AM
169 posts



John P has given the correct response. The slot in question is the black space in the tail stock in the picture. It is hollow. It just doesn't need filled and it also allows additional 'sound hole' function. It belongs there on a McSpadden. It is the way they are designed and built.

As for the base string buzz... try this: Carefully cut a 1/4 " inch square of black electricians tape and fold it in half, sticky side out. That's a small piece of tape and hard to handle, you may want to use a tweezer. Then loosen your base string just enough to slide the tape under the string, at the nut, not letting it extend past the nut toward the bridge. Retune the string. The tape will space it up enough to let you know if you have a high fret or a nut problem and then you can effect a more permanent repair.

Congrats on the purchase. I'm sure you will love your McSpadden.

Robin Clark
@robin-clark
05/20/12 08:53:05AM
239 posts



Hi Goshi,

McSpadden's have a high fretboard that is hollowed out. The high fretboard helps certain playing styles (thumb-on-top noter)and the hollowing both make the instrument lighter and more resonant - and to some extent the shape also helps stop the fretboard warping as it is a strong cross section. Many veryold dulcimers had hollowed out fretboards, and many didn't. From my experience the higher ones were hollow. The arching that FolkCraft do has a similar effect (as you have mentioned). I think that arching is a fairly modern (late 60s) development as I can't remember seeing a pre-revival dulcimer with arching? But there could well be some out there LOL!!!!!

Robin

Peter W.
@peter-w
05/20/12 08:22:39AM
48 posts



Sorry for adding a (perhaps) "off topic" question here:

I have noticed that gap (resulting of the fact that the McSpadden soundboards don't meet in the middle) on photos of their dulcimers before. As I am generally interested in maybe ordering a McSpadden some day, I would like to ask the experts here:

What reason is there for that "gap" between the sides? Or to put it in another way: what's the advantage of that?

The dulcimer I have got now has a one piece soundboard and three cut out "arches" under the fretboard (the folkcraft dulcimer have that as well, I think). Up to now I always fancied that a construction like that (i.e. with arches and a one-piece soundboard) allows a better resonation (because it sets a larger area of the soundboard free for resonation).

I could not find any information about the construction McSpadden uses on their website.

Are there any opinions or experience about that? :D

(Sorry if that has been discussed here already anywhere else. I used the "search" function but didn't find anything. If I missed it, I'd be greatful if someone could lead me to the right place to discuss this.)

john p said:

Or did you mean the slot that runs across the tail.

This is a consequence of the soundboard being made of two pieces of wood that don't meet in the middle, but extend only a little way under the hollowed out fretboard.

This leaves a gap made up of the end cap on the fretboard(top), the two edges of the soundboard and the pin block at the bottom.

I guess McSpadden feel it is unnecessary to fill this, or perhaps it has some effect on the sound.

john p

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
09/07/11 09:31:31AM
2,157 posts



Start by loosening the bass string slightly and plucking it up from the notch. Sometimes they don't seat properly....
John Keane
@john-keane
08/28/11 09:39:03PM
181 posts



My McSpaddens all have it.

Thanna said:
So that slot is normal then, John? I've seen my instructor's McSpadden a few times but never really looked that closely at the tail.

Oh yeah. The rust issue amazes me. Apparently the strings havent been changed in 20 years. This is a dulcimer that's crying out for a new home IF the price is right.
john p
@john-p
08/28/11 09:36:05PM
173 posts



That's how it is on mine Thanna.

[edit] you can look right through and see light coming through the sound holes

john p

john p
@john-p
08/28/11 09:19:49PM
173 posts



Or did you mean the slot that runs across the tail.

This is a consequence of the soundboard being made of two pieces of wood that don't meet in the middle, but extend only a little way under the hollowed out fretboard.

This leaves a gap made up of the end cap on the fretboard(top), the two edges of the soundboard and the pin block at the bottom.

I guess McSpadden feel it is unnecessary to fill this, or perhaps it has some effect on the sound.

john p

John Keane
@john-keane
08/28/11 09:09:32PM
181 posts



What Wayne said plus there's a rust issue that new strings and a little cleaning should solve IF...the price is right!
updated by @john-keane: 02/16/16 02:38:37PM
john p
@john-p
04/20/13 08:33:46PM
173 posts

Great Lyric/Chord Find


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Bet you don't get many French subscribers to the 'Show Us Your Pets' thread either

john

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
04/20/13 07:48:48PM
1,874 posts

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This kind of inter-linguistic confusion can be offensive and comical, too. Years ago while i was living in France the family I was staying with welcomed another American for a dinner. She had just spent a few days in Paris on her first trip to France. They asked her how she liked Paris, and she responded that Paris was the city of joy--"Paris est la ville de joie"--and she wanted to say that she was ajoyous girlas well, so she said, "Et je suis une fille de joie." Horror fell on the faces of the French family. You see, "fille de joie" may literally mean girl of joy, but it the common name for, well, shall we say . . . una puta.

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
04/20/13 07:19:19PM
2,157 posts

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No offense meant or taken. Just a gentle reminder that we are an international community here and not everyone is cognizant of Anglo-American-Canadian slang, abbreviations, and such, which can be mis-taken.

Dave Ismay
@dave-ismay
04/20/13 05:19:10PM
25 posts

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I do not speak or come in contact with Spanish in this island nation where the word is common as a diminutive for computer that I believe is in homage to Mircea Puta the mathematician.

No offense was or is intended and it just goes to show how careful everyone must be especially if like me you have lead a sheltered life.

I have heard of the Roman Goddess and a Town in Baku, a retaurant in Gothenburg,a New York record company, even a moth found here in western europe but until I googled for the Spanish definition I was blissfully ignorant.

Silly really as our daughter lives in Northern Italy where the language is somewhat similar and my grandson is a follower of Anime and has had a schoolboy giggle at the yellow-green Keronian painter Putata!

I now know why!

P.S. I thank you for inadvertently pointing me towards an education in expletives I will never again speak of that carnivorous shoaling fish that lives in Brazilian rivers by name!

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
04/20/13 08:10:17AM
2,157 posts

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Well, folks I posted that link nearly two years ago. Time change, so do websites. I'm sorry but I don't know where it's gone.

BTW Dave, 'puta' in Spanish is very offensive.Not really a good abbreviation of 'computer'. In Turkish it's the name of a type of Ottoman Empire archer's bow.

Dave Ismay
@dave-ismay
04/20/13 06:59:51AM
25 posts

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Seems like us folks here can not access this or is it just my puta?

I can find two pages of google links but they all lead nowhere and show as 'Not found on this server'

Drat !

Ruth Lawrence
@ruth-lawrence
04/19/13 09:36:04AM
41 posts

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Thanks for that link! I was looking for Cats in the Cradle and that is in the list.

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
04/19/13 12:48:04AM
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I don't know if this is the same collection, but here are 200 songs: http://singalongwith.us/ .

Ruth Lawrence
@ruth-lawrence
04/18/13 09:34:12PM
41 posts

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Alas this site seems to not exist anymore. Does anyone know whether there's a mirror site or new URL? Via the way back machine I can see the main page with all the song titles, but alas, the links don't work.

phil
@phil
02/24/12 12:11:40PM
129 posts

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Great Find Ken. Oh gee wiz's I hate to say how many of them I know from when they where on the charts. Man when did I get old.

Jan Potts
@jan-potts
02/24/12 12:47:05AM
403 posts

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Thanks for sharing this! I remember about 70 per cent of them, I'd guess....great to have the words to all those verses! I will definitely use this wonderful resource.

Richard Venneman
@richard-venneman
11/05/11 07:11:46AM
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A great site. I am just learning Band-in-a-box and this is a great reference for building a song.

Gwyn Calvetti
@gwyn-calvetti
08/26/11 10:27:08AM
12 posts

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That's a pretty cool resource...now if I can get the skills to put it to good use. Thanks for sharing it!

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
08/24/11 08:33:48AM
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At first glance there are only about 20 songs on that list that I don't know! And I can play probably 85% of those I do know. Some I've just not tried to pick out yet...
Rob N Lackey
@rob-n-lackey
08/23/11 05:47:13PM
420 posts

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WOOOOO WHOOOO

Way to go Ken!

Great find

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
08/23/11 04:32:31PM
2,157 posts

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Fort those who love the music of the 60s and 70s and beyond, here's a great lyric and guitar chord collection I discovered while searching for lyrics to Dancing Bear by the Mommas & Pappas:

http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/~aparsons/guitar/guitar2.html


updated by @ken-hulme: 08/01/23 02:44:12AM
Dana R. McCall
@dana-r-mccall
12/20/11 05:07:45PM
168 posts

What MAKE of strings is best?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

I just changed the strings on my modern mtn. it has such a deep mellow sound already in cgc and I have so many dulcimers I decided to make it a baritone. I put a 16g wire on my melody a 24 wound on the drone and a 32 wound on my base tuned her to AEA and she sounds BEAUTIFUL. I love it.

Richard Streib
@richard-streib
08/23/11 09:30:39PM
281 posts

What MAKE of strings is best?


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Hi,

Another way to deal with the ball end vs. loop end dilemma is to buy ball ends. If you need loop ends, take a small wire cutter and carefully cut the ball away and you have a loop end ready to install.

Richard

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
08/21/11 07:57:03AM
2,157 posts

What MAKE of strings is best?


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The general string gauges will allow you, generally speaking, to tune from the key of C tunings (CGG, CGc) up to maybe key of F tunings (FCC, Fcf). Below C they will be too floppy and buzz and sound mushy, especially on the thinner strings. Around F, and certainly G, you risk breaking the bass string although the thinner strings will easily tune.

No one set of strings will allow you to tune from A to G. If you're tuning below the key of C you need new strings (most of us get a second dulcimer along with the strings). Likewise if you're tuning to the keys of F and G primarily.

Not wanting to rig a dulcimer with a separate set of strings to play the key of G - GDD, GDg etc. is what has given rise to the popularity of the so-called Reverse Ionian tuning DGd. That tuning has the same notes, but not the same 'flavor' if you will, of real Ionian key of G tuning -- GDD.

I have one dulcimer that has a 27" VSL which I keep strung with 18-11-11 and tune to GDD. Another is strung with 22w-12-12-12 and tunes back and forth to the keys of C and D tunings

Virginia Oman
@virginia-oman
08/20/11 02:38:47PM
11 posts

What MAKE of strings is best?


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Yes....thanks everyone. My VSL 25 dulcimer was strung by the maker with 11 14 and 22 which he switched to 24 due to buzzing.

I am enjoying ordering the next three thru Just Strings...(thanks for suggestion), as you can buy single strings.

Rob N Lackey
@rob-n-lackey
08/20/11 11:37:30AM
420 posts

What MAKE of strings is best?


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According to strothers string gauge calculator the strings for a 3 string 25" vsl dulcimer would be

11p d
14p A
21w D

However, after receiving my 25" vsl back from my luthier yesterday, he used

11p d

16p A

23w D

He said he tried the 1st and found they were a little light, particularly to tune down to CGc. After playing all night (almost) on it, I have to think he was right. I'll post up some pictures of it to see if anyone might recognize the unique head and be able to tell who the maker was.

Anyway... trying different string gauges would be good to see what works well for YOU! YOU are the one who must be satisfied with the tension of the strings and the sound they produce.

I haven't used bronze wounds on a dulcimer but I do use them on my flat top guitars. I may try them, but it is hard to find the singles locally in the correct gauge. I have seen others use them and I don't think they "hurt" the sound at all, even though I was surprised to see them on a dulcimer. I may have to experiment on at least one of mine with them.

Robert

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
08/20/11 08:01:11AM
2,157 posts

What MAKE of strings is best?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Nancy - use a String Gauge Calculator such as the one at www.strothers.com to determine which diameter of string (but not Maker) is appropriate for a given VSL and the note you want to tune to. Know that you can go a gauge or two up or down from what the calculator shows; that's how players "tweek" their instruments.

You absolutely must know the VSL of each instrument and the notes to which each string is to be tuned.

Virginia - - VSL always has something to do with the diameter of the strings and the note you're trying to tune the string to. This is a basic 'natural law' of stringed instruments. Too thin or too thick of strings, and you'll be breaking strings or have them too floppy for the notes you're trying to tune to.

Virginia Oman
@virginia-oman
08/20/11 12:25:14AM
11 posts

What MAKE of strings is best?


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Thank you ALL for your feedback. I went to Just Strings and ordered individual loop end strings. Trying different brands and some different gauges for experimenting. Only way to really find out.
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